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 Post subject: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:43 pm 
faltbootemeister

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Location: vienna/austria/europe
forced i have to change from kayak to canoe

i know
ally
pakcanoe
nautiraid rando
triton canoe

are there other producers?

my procedure book

length: 4,5 - 5,5 m
narrow
loading capacity: min 200 kg
weight:<25 kg
90% solo
goes with single and double blade
big river(40%), big lakes(40%), coastal cruising
design idea: hybrid like https://www.wenonah.com/Canoes.aspx?id=116


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:07 am 
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Long Haul folding kayaks makes at least one canoe model, I think, called the York and a "commando" version that may simply be an upgrade in terms of durability. They're insanely expensive, but probably provide value for value.


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:23 am 
faltbootemeister

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the price is high.

but the long haul canoe has one bic mistake: the weight.


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:35 pm 
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Look at the new Pakboat Quest 150. It very much resembles the We-no-nah you linked and can be paddled with or without the removable deck. Length is 4.5 meters and it weighs 14 kg but capacity is only 130 kg. The XT-17 has a 180 kg capacity, weighs 20 kg, but you do have to use the deck so it is a strictly a closed boat.

All the Pakcanoes except the longest one meet your weight and capacity criteria and are 4.3 to 5 meters.

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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:18 am 
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As the deck on the Xt 17 is detachable I see no reason why it cant be used without it. You just need a different solution for anchoring a backrest

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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:37 pm 
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i had a pak170 and wasn't happy.
do you think that a xt17 can go with a higher seat?


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:52 am 
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The cheapest tandem canoe from Ally (at $1500? USD) seems to be cheaper than the cheapest version of Pak Canoe ($2000 USD). But I don't know if shipping and tax is included for the Ally.

There are not many budget folding tandem canoes out there. I prefer to stay below $2000 USD, if possible. Used is fine.

@ Dschin,
How much does Nautiraid Rando cost in Europe?
Does Triton Canoe have a web page or online price quote?

I understand Pak Canoe may be my best bet, in USA.


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:06 pm 
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As full disclosure, we make the Pakboats PakCanoe, but it seems to fall outside your criteria based on cost. Some other kayak options have been mentioned, but it is hard to advise you without knowing why you need a canoe.

The kayaks may be good alternatives, but you should be aware that they become unstable if you move the seat much higher - which you can't do in the XT-17. If you need the weight capacity you mentioned and prefer to stay below $2000, a good used canoe may be your best bet.


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:32 pm 
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Alv wrote:
As full disclosure, we make the Pakboats PakCanoe, but it seems to fall outside your criteria based on cost. Some other kayak options have been mentioned, but it is hard to advise you without knowing why you need a canoe.

The kayaks may be good alternatives, but you should be aware that they become unstable if you move the seat much higher - which you can't do in the XT-17. If you need the weight capacity you mentioned and prefer to stay below $2000, a good used canoe may be your best bet.



Thank you very much, Alv.

Here is my application: one boat to hold a family of 4 tiny people, 135+110+50+35 = 330 lbs of people (two short adults and two children 8yo and 4yo). Adult's heights are 5'9'' and 5'3''. Very flat/calm lake water, very warm weather (Houston/ Texas), mostly nature seeing/photography, occasional fishing and traveling. Very little gear to hold (just one meal and water for family of 4). The two kids will get their own kayaks, when they are older and weight over 70 lbs. Prefer to have a folding or sectional canoe of less than 65 lbs and cost not a lot more than $2000 USD.

What are some good places to look for an used PakCanoe or Pak Kayak, besides this forum? Is it possible to buy a used folding canoe for $600 shipped, at all? We are located in Houston, Texas, USA. Can spend $600 right now. Will have to save up toy funds, if cost is higher.

Your Puffin Saranac Double may work with a somewhat open deck. But we may be pushing its space limits, even if we can add two seats for children on Saranac (can we use inflaable kayak seats?). Total weight should be in right below load limit of your kayaks.

XT-17 would need an open deck to hold 4 tiny people?

PakCanoe 140 or 150 will be more comfortable for my family of 4. Can PakCanoe 140 be made to seat 2 additional kids (say with DIY inflatable seats)? If we are buying new,we would go for 150 for sure.

Thank you again.

PS:
We already have a tandem sectional hard shell kayak (Snap On Top 12'9'' x 22''), a folding tandem kayak (Folbot Super 16' x 36'' sit-inside) and two solo inflatables. When traveling light, we can surely take two folding tandem kayaks, instead of one folding canoe. However, assembly time for two folders (60 minutes) may be a problem? And sometimes, we may want to have both kids inside the same boat, but none of our current boats has space for 1 adult + 2 kids. Not to mention 2 adults + 2 kids.


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 Post subject: Re: folder canoe???
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:57 am 
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We can spend $1000 USD now, but still don't see any good folding/inflatable option for 2 slim/short adults + 2 slim/short kids.


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