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 Post subject: Framura
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:22 pm 
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I just ordered a Gumotex Framura from Boatpark.eu. Same vendor as paddlesheep's Seawave I think. Hopefully It won't be too long of a wait. If it's anything like the Seawave, I know it will be good.
I still don't understand why Innova won't import Gumotex' expedition models.

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:22 pm 
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I think the Framura is an interesting inflatable and is likely considerably less expensive than the Aironaut. I hope it proves a worthy replacement for your Kurrent which now appears to be redundant. It'll be interesting to know what you think of the Framura's general performance. Good luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:04 am 
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Paraglia congrats on the new kayak. Yes I ordered from boatpark as well. Shipping took just two days so you should have it soon. I look forward to seeing (and hopefully trying) it soon! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:11 am 
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The framura is the same as the Innova Swing EX, just in nitrilon not Litepack. Don't imagine there's a great difference in on-water performance (although I too would go for the Framura all day, everyday if there wasn't too much price differential)

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:52 pm 
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The funny thing is, the Swing EX is $1100 cad. The Framura from Boatpark, including shipping and excluding the 20% VAT (they remove the VAT when shipping outside the EU) comes to about $950. It doesn't make a lot of sense to pay more to buy the Litepack version domestically when you can spend less and get the full nitrilon version from Europe.


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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:26 am 
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Wow, I hadn't realised that it's actually cheaper to buy the better boat. From my enquiries to Gumotex it seems like the party line is that Innova wants Litepack because it hasn't got PVC in it, but then neither has Nitrilon…. (Possibly this situation refers back to when they used to use Mirasol in some of their boats and something has been lost in translation or, more likely I think, it's because Litepack boats cost less so Innova can make a bit more mark-up)

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:05 am 
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It looks like the Framura's Nitrilon skin has a denier count of 1200 compared to the Aironaut's 420 denier. That would make it heavier but it would likely be considerably more durable. If the Nitrilon is punctured, how difficult would it be to repair? Where I paddle on the Gulf Coast of Florida in winter, there are numerous submerged oyster reefs and it's said that there are just two kinds of paddlers there, those who have run up onto an oyster reef and those who haven't yet run onto an oyster reef. I am one of the latter but have had very close calls. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:11 am 
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Nitrilon is very easy to repair. Tear Aid type A works well for a quick patch. Aqua Seal works very well, especially if you prep it with a bit of acetone. I have several scratches where the nylon material is showing that I've just painted over with aquaseal and they're fine. Had a small hole in the side tube once that I just painted with aqua seal and it's still holding four years later.


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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:39 pm 
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Good luck with The Kurrent, I considered bidding, but grabbed a Java.

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:01 pm 
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I received the Framura in three days after it was shipped from Prague. Luckily there were no fees to pay for neither customs or brokerage. And yes, the final bill came to less than for what I would have paid by ordering a Swing EX.
The only trouble assembling the whole thing was inserting the cockpit coaming stiffener in its sleeve. After a lot of sweat I finally got it all the way in, but now it won't slide out. The sleeve is either to tight or too sticky. Other than this glitch, it's a great looking inflatable and well made. I hope it paddles as well as it's made. For that it will be another week before it sees water... will report then.

Here are some first assembly pictures:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1181758973 ... 4jNrZSkqwE

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 11:54 am 
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It would be interesting to compare the general performance of the Framura with that of the Aironaut. The Framura is beamier and probably less twitchy than the Aironaut. Just wonder how cruising speeds compare as well as handling in wind conditions. The Framura, with its much higher denier skin is considerably heavier than the Aironaut but that's a reasonable trade off for a more durable boat. And at less than half the price if purchased through Boat Park, it's a relative bargain.

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:36 pm 
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Based mostly on what I read here I bought a Framura from boatpark. Ordered on a Tuesday, it arrived in San Diego on Friday. Total cost with shipping was about $800US. Took it out yesterday for the first time, found the performance quite acceptable. I bought this boat to carry with me in a motorhome, wanted something that I could keep handy for casual paddling on RV trips. If we go somewhere specifically to paddle we'll pull our Yakima trailer with the hardshell sea kayaks but if we're just travelling and come across a nice place to take a quick paddle we'll use this - one at a time of course. I also bought a K-Pump 200 and one of their pressure gauges to use with this, both worked well right out of the boxes. I wanted a gauge because I spent my career as an engineer measuring things and I once owned an Achilles inflatable motorboat and was surprised at how firm 3 psi feels, much firmer than I would have thought. Using the gauge will allow me to inflate to optimal pressure without having to rely on my thumb.

About the difficulty some people have reported about inserting the cockpit coaming ring I found that a light coat of WD-40 silicone spray made a huge difference. Tried it dry the first time and it was difficult to slide it into place and even more difficult to remove. After using the silicone it became very easy both ways. Note that this is the WD-40 300014 Specialist Water Resistant Silicone Lubricant Spray, not the regular WD-40. I used silicone sprays on SCUBA gear for years, never had a problem with it damaging the materials so I don't expect any problems using this.

Now I just need to learn how to pack it smaller, matter of practice I suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:00 pm 
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Thank you johninsd for suggesting silicone lubricant to loosen the cockpit coaming ring. It worked like a charm the first time. What I thought was a major design flaw turned out to be no problem at all.

Having taken the Framura out just once (have been busy with my FC lately), I still don't have a clear impression on the kayak. Built seems excellent, besides that coaming ring issue; it's easy to inflate and deflate. But it's not as quick to dry or clean as the Kahuna or the Solar.
The seat is quite comfortable with good support for both the back and thighs, once I added a tie strap to raise the seat front. There's lots of room for the feet (size 9.5 or 42) to move around even using the supplied footrest. Getting in and out of the cockpit is straight forward even going in butt first, legs second (I'm 33" out seam).
Stability is something to get used to I guess. Coming from the Kahuna and the Solar it feels tippy, but I'm sure most people will get used to it. Speed... faster than the Solar and slower than the Kahuna, and that's expected. It tracks surprisingly well with the skeg installed. I haven't paddled in wind or waves, so can't comment on that.

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:27 am 
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I see from the AirKayaks website that Innova has finally specced the Swing EX (and the normal Swings and Twists) in Light Nitrilon rather than Lite Pack

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 Post subject: Re: Framura
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:51 am 
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I noticed that some people on this forum and other forum in Europe that people were selling the Framura to buy a Seawave instead. There are reasons for this? Does the Framura is that unstable? I mean I have a Solar 410 and I find very stable, too much maybe. I would perhaps have a faster kayak within 2 years approximately.


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