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Napali clear skin folding kayak on e-bay

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:32 pm
by keyhavenpotterer
Hi, interesting clear coat folding kayak

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :middle:us

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:38 pm
by Christov_Tenn
Pretty whacky "Buy It Now" price, however.

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:26 pm
by Alm
This skin isn't a fabric - it's a non-supported sheet of plastic. Unless they've made it thick and heavy, I bet urethane-covered nylon drybag has a stronger skin.

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:39 pm
by keyhavenpotterer

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:46 pm
by tsunamichuck
Murray Broom also designed the First Light kayaks. They were really flimsy and leaked like sieves. I actually asked the seller a bunch of questions. Wonder if he will answer them.

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:50 am
by chrstjrn
A New Zealander, right? I remember the hyperbole about the FirstLights-- did you ever try one? In most ways, they seem to have been matched by Puffins at about a third the price (the FLK's big selling point was weight around 20 pounds, for those unfamiliar).

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:07 pm
by tsunami von chuck
chrstjrn wrote:A New Zealander, right? I remember the hyperbole about the FirstLights-- did you ever try one? In most ways, they seem to have been matched by Puffins at about a third the price (the FLK's big selling point was weight around 20 pounds, for those unfamiliar).
Aqua Adventures in San Diego had a pair a couple years ago. I paddled one and it felt ok, but I was told it leaked like a sieve after a couple of landings.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:37 am
by Kapitän von Klepper
I can think of some great places to paddle where seeing below would be lots 'o fun :D Fish etc. -Of course somehow seeing a shark below would really spoil an otherwise nice paddle... :shock:

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:51 am
by Alm
Kapitan; when these kayaks with clear skin had just appeared, there was a detailed discussion of this phenomenon in Paddlewise. Firstly, it will only remain clear for a short time - this is just a plastic film, it will get scratched, and it will get covered with dust and salt deposits very soon. Secondly, somebody said (and I agree with this too), that in a kayak you won't see much down below, except for frame parts and your own legs. The biggest problem with this kayak, though, seems to be strength of this film.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:07 pm
by Christov_Tenn
I think the Seavivor guy makes a clear skin for his tandem folders. Their total cost, if I recall correctly, is about $2K less than the buy-it-now price of the Ebay auction. Also, Tom Yost has made boats with clear skins, and can undoubtedly provide good information on how long they stay clear. Dunno, might be fun to see stuff in really clear water when the lighting's good.