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 Post subject: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:41 am 
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I have never seen anything like this, very interesting...
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... -211-16645

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:29 am 
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Wow. I forwarded to Ralph Hoehn to see what he has to say. It looks ancient-- I would guess ~1960. This is a far cry from the current folding cats, such as the Ukrainian "Ducky".

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~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:09 am 
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I'm guessing 3 hours for assembly (less with a team obviously) and a car with a very large boot indeed! Impressive amount of deck space though - looks like you could easily live aboard :-)

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:27 pm 
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Maybe 6 hours! You'd need a pickup truck. And the thing doesn't have a tiller, it has a helm!

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~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:37 pm 
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http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i36 ... 142634.jpg

And the helm is exactly the same as the wheel on my 1938 Sachs sideboard motor. Go figure.

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:33 pm 
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Am I correct in thinking that that wheel just raises and lowers the propeller? Trying to turn my swiveling that propeller would simply shred the hull...

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'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:34 pm 
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That SL is gorgeous, by the way. Is it a 230? Certainly from the most beautiful years...

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~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:33 pm 
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Correct on both counts Chris.

The wheel functions on my rig to raise and lower the prop. But it had a couple of pulleys that I assume attached to the combing and the back of the wheel is a large pulley, so it was probably used as both a steering wheel with lines attached to the rudder yoke. I chose to go old school...or is that new school...and just use the rudder pedals.

The 230sl is actually a 1963, titled by mistake as a 1964, and it is the 211th of the sls to come off the line. And I agree, as many do, that the marque lost a bit as the the model "progressed" through the '71 model year. More plastic, less chrome, more complications in the fuel and drive systems.

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:33 pm 
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Selfmade cat from the 1970s, the wheel comes from the company APAG from Potsdam near Berlin. APAG has made before WW2 cast aluminum folding canoe and camping accessories (e.g. for Klepper) , after the 2nd World War, among other things, the "APAG Senknormsteuer" in the GDR for Pouch, MTW, PAX etc.

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:38 pm 
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Billiant Rainer, thanks. So the prior owner of the Fichtel Sachs I found was "accessorizing" it withe the wheel. Who knew.

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Torqeedo outboard
1938 Sachs-Fichtel seitenbordmotor


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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:07 pm 
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Wow, that's a beautiful rig (the AE 2 with the FS outboard), is the motor very loud?

The Pouch cat is nice too(straying back on topic ...), can't imagine that they sold a lot of those though.

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 Post subject: Re: pouch catmaran
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:35 pm 
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http://s1090.photobucket.com/user/enoch ... 2.mp4.html

The motor is surprisingly quiet, even though it is a two-stroke it sounds much more like a low compression 4 cycle, and I have no idea why,
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Torqeedo outboard
1938 Sachs-Fichtel seitenbordmotor


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