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 Post subject: Portage
PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Hi
As being a total newbie with folders I might ask questions that is very basic in this forum. Anyhow, I am planning on a trip into the Swedish mountains (Lappland) that will include a number of rapids and falls that I absolutely not will let myself into. Some will be possible to guide the kayak with rope walking in the water (english for this please), but we will need to carry a number of times. My question is; will you always empty the kayak totally even for a short lift? How much weight can the folder take on land with one person lifting the front and one in the back, eventually with a caddy i n the middle? Terrain will sometimes be ruff. The folder is a Nautiraid Grand Raid 540 Exp.

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 Post subject: Re: Portage
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:31 am 
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Lining is the term you want for guiding a canoe/kayak through shallow or fast flowing water with ropes. The folding kayaks the various military forces use are designed to be strong enough to be carried fully-loaded with pretty heavy loads. I would be cautious about doing that with any of my kayaks, if we are talking about a proper heavy expedition load. I would definitely take the heaviest items out, if only because it would make carrying so much easier. I do do it for day trips though, where all that is loaded in my klepper or wayland is a folding trolley, a change of clothes and some sandwiches.

Sounds like a great trip you have planned.
Ian


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 Post subject: Re: Portage
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:32 pm 
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If I was going to do actual rapids, where the boat had a good chance of banging into rocks, I'd use an inflatable, not a folder.

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 Post subject: Re: Portage
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:09 pm 
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Life is often a compromise, I would also like to do the Fjords of northern Norway and I think the Grand Raid will be a good choice for that. Some of the lakes in Lapland is quite big as well. I will definitely not take any chances in rapids, an accident without telephone coverage and nearest road 50 km over the mountains is not good. You understand why I plan for carrying and lining. Also buying an inflatable would probably stretch economy and wife's patience a bit :)

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 Post subject: Re: Portage
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:45 pm 
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Consider putting foam sleeping mats between the skin and frame- a technique used by one folding canoe maker for white water applications.

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 Post subject: Re: Portage
PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:40 am 
mje wrote:
Consider putting foam sleeping mats between the skin and frame- a technique used by one folding canoe maker for white water applications.

Dang, that is a good idea..
When lining in rivers or sea, I attach 1xline to bow and 1x to stern, this gives great control/angle of attack to water flow and therefore makes the current do ALL the hard work. Similar to a ferry glide in the sea.
Enjoy, Wayne


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