Is Folbot on Hiatus/Out of Business?

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Good to hear that, Mike, and I paid closer attention to Flatwater's last post and like that a lot.

I contacted a few prospects yesterday, trying to point them towards this sale so that they could buy up a stock of spares... but they didn't seem interested.

Bouncing off of Flatwater's post... it's possible that the patterns and spare parts (don't see many of those in the photos) are being held back (maybe were already personally bought with private funds), and that they will resurface once the legal stuff is over.
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Oh, forgot one other important item.
Notice there are no sewing machines in the pictures.

I can see why the RF welder and tube bender were left behind.
You can have the sponsons made elsewhere. There are companies that specialize in that kind of product. They have RF and sonic welders. Pretty expensive machines.
You can bend tubing with a hand bender - done it all my life. If you're in a hurry and want to bend dozens or hundreds of the same part, yeah get a programmable bender. If you're making boats one at a time, bend 'em with a hand powered bender. Lots, lots cheaper.

But the sewing machines are big, industrial types that are pretty expensive and required to make a boat. You can't cheat and use a home machine to sew several layers of heavy stuff. Thus, keep the sewing machines.

All I see tells me Eric is hanging on to everything critical to making boats in the future, even if on a much smaller scale.
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Like button and a smile 8)
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But he should keep the sign.
:(
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Selling the sign makes it appear that he's selling everything. Keeping it would be a clear indication otherwise. He can paint another sign.
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Good point.

Though those in the know would understand.
Only the uninformed would be fooled.
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Do you know Maule aircraft? When the lawsuits against his company bankrupted him, he waited a few months and then resumed production under a slightly-altered name. He's done that twice. And, thus, you can still buy a Maule aircraft to this day...
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Fascinating.
Never heard of Maule.
Did some internet searching and found his story but nothing about lawsuits. Just vague references to legal problems
I've read a lot about bush flying - Alaska, South America, Africa - but never heard of Maule.
I even know some bush flyers and am familiar with the most common planes - Stinson, Otter, Roberston-converted Cessnas, etc. - but somehow missed Maule. I'd like to learn more about his history with the lawyers.
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I've dreamed about Maules for years. Used for fire watch out West, hunting for drug fields in South America, etc. They don't have as much capacity as the planes you mentioned.

I think you might find more traces of the transitioning companies if you go through the warranty terms, etc. I believe he has made a point of maintaining warranty coverage on planes sold by the previous companies. In any case, that story is hearsay-- I can't give you any citation for it. As I would guess you know, the light aircraft industry was bedeviled by lawsuits in the 80s and 90s.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/business-economy/maule-air
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Hmmm.
We've wandered rather far afield from the subject at hand.
Perhaps you should move this part to an NPR (Non Paddling Related) thread somewhere.
:)

Still searching for history of Maule's legal problems.
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It's relevant to the thread, so I'll leave it.

Ref. the Maule story: note that it is a story I was told about 25 years ago, or a little less-- it's likely it never made it on to the internet. It's not something anyone would want to advertise.
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Found something.
Interview with B.D. in 1994
"It's a lot different now: People got lawsuit happy. I had a bunch of lawsuits 10 or 12 years ago, $20 million worth of lawsuits in 21 [cases]. What I did was establish another company. I put [Maule Aircraft] in Chapter 11 bankruptcy. And when they [the court] said I had been in that long enough, I put it in Chapter 7 [liquidation] and wiped it out and kept on going with Maule Air."
So there you are, from the horse's mouth.
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8)

Where did you find it?
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I probably still have that issue somewhere. I belonged for 20+ years, but I let my membership lapse a few years ago.

Fun article-- tells you a lot more about Maules than that , too, eh? :)
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'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: Early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift (prototype), as well as an '84 Hobie 16.

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