Folding Kayaks Forum

The user forum for FoldingKayaks.org
It is currently Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:15 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: How to land a loaded FC?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:18 am 
recent arrival

Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:02 am
Posts: 3
Greetings to all....

I am thinking of getting a Feathercraft, and am now trying to think through the practical realities involved. I have a question about coming ashore.

If you land an FC loaded with camping gear on a beach, you can't just pick it up and carry it above the tide line, right? If you try to lift a loaded FC, the weight of the gear may well bend the frame, yes? So you have to unload the boat before you try to move it?

Thank you kindly for your input..

BH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:16 am 
lord high faltbotmeister

Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:05 am
Posts: 813
Location: atlanta, georgia
Welcome to the fold. You are correct, you should not carry a loaded folder (I presume you are thinking about a double) by its bow and stern, it puts too much strain on the frame. But there is another option, and you can accomplish a landing and short haul solo, even with a double. With a set of wheels strapped about 1/3 of the way along the hull you can land and haul the boat safely.

g

_________________
"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing around in boats"

1990's A1 Expedition
2010 Klepper Quattro
Kayaksailer
Balogh sail rig, 24 + 36 HP
Torqeedo outboard
1938 Sachs-Fichtel seitenbordmotor


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:18 am 
Brotherhood of the Golden Paddle
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:47 pm
Posts: 1712
Location: Arlington, VA (i.e. Wash DC)
I don't own a FC-- have had Pakboats and Klepper, and have been in Pouch, Triton, and a few others. But I think that qualifies me to respond: yes, you would have to unload first. But you would not be so concerned about bending the frame (they are flexible and very strong)-- the greater concern would be the possible damage to the hull if you dragged it with a lot of weight in it.

_________________
Chris T.
~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:24 am 
Brotherhood of the Golden Paddle
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:47 pm
Posts: 1712
Location: Arlington, VA (i.e. Wash DC)
g is right-- you could slip your trailer under the boat while it is still in the water and wheel it ashore. I have wheeled my boats with quite a lot of weight in them. Once upon a time I lived close enough to the water that I could walk there with the boat on it's trailer-- made quite a sight, I'm sure-- which brings up another point: make sure you have your mind very well around the setup and breakdown times of the boats. The Kleppers are relatively quick in the department, but I keep it set up in-season (and cartop them), and break it down and store it for the winter.

_________________
Chris T.
~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:37 am 
Brotherhood of the Golden Paddle

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:05 pm
Posts: 1398
Location: South Salem, NY
Taking the cart thing a step further... Greg's idea of placing the wheels under the stern is great for getting out of the water and up onto dry land. But if you have a further distance to travel reorganize the gear and wheels once out of the water. Move the wheels directly under the cockpit and then move the heaviest gear into the cockpit. This allows you to balance the boat so that the wheels carry the entire load and all you need to do is push or pull and help keep the balance.

I live close enough to a lake so that I can kayak cart round trip. It always amazes me how light I can make the 150+ lb loaded boat by putting it all above the 21" bicycle wheeled cart I have. On level ground the kayak almost feels like it's rolling itself. I do have a monster hill to contend with and I cannot imagine lifting weight and pushing the boat up at the same time. Balance is a good thing.

Also keep in mind that conditions vary and you may find yourself on a beautiful sandy smooth beach where you can pull the boat up onto shore without damage to the hull. But the folder is really not so different from any high quality boat or canoe - unless it's a plastic hull, you're not going to drag it over rocks. All hulls are vulnerable. I think you would have to drag a loaded folder a pretty long way to damage the frame and you would know it when you were dragging that there was an issue. So more than damaging the frame the consideration is more about damaging the hull and creating weak spots or leaks.

d

_________________
Klepper Aerius II
Klepper T9
Long Haul MK1 Expedition 'light'
Klepper S4 sail rig
Kayaksailor 1.6 +genoa
BSD 36HP


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:25 am 
Brotherhood of the Golden Paddle
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:47 pm
Posts: 1712
Location: Arlington, VA (i.e. Wash DC)
Hi BH,

Please post a proper intro in the Introduction section.

Thanks,

C

_________________
Chris T.
~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:24 pm 
forum fanatic

Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:00 pm
Posts: 34
Location: Michigan, USA
I have done a fair amount of touring in a rigid single, folding single and folding double. When traveling in a group we move loaded boats with one person on each side of the cockpit one on stern and one on bow. For the double two on each side of the cockpit and one each on stern and bow.

Another option is two straps under the boat just ahead and just behind the cockpit.

Traveling alone which I don't do I would partially unload the boat

_________________
1960's Klepper Passat
1970's Klepper Classic Aerius II
1956 15'3" Lyman


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:24 pm 
forum fan

Joined: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 13
Sorry I know I'm biased!

Dan from FC.

Our expedition boats are fully capable of being carried up the beach loaded (thats all we do!). That is also why the grab handles are at the bow and stern. Maybe take the waterbags out of the cockpit (if thats where you keep them, I know I do).


The only boats I would unload first are the Kurrent LW and the Aironaut (and sometimes I don't!)
Thanks


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:24 pm 
forum fanatic
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:14 pm
Posts: 51
Location: Boulder CO
3 or 4 pool noodles or similar foam cylinders around 24-30" long will serve depending on terrain. Think pyramid technology. Much easier to stow than a cart plus you get a bit more floatation along with the deal.

_________________
larrybluhm
Boulder, CO
Fujita/FoldingCraft 480


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:31 pm 
faltbootemeister
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:43 pm
Posts: 207
Location: Vancouver, Canada
I have carried the fully loadded, with a friend's help of course, both the LW Kurrent and the Kahuna (not together of course) from the water's edge with no ill effects. They both flex a little but nothing to worry about.
Of the other Feathercraft models I've see being carried loaded, the Wisper seems to flex the most.

_________________
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FoldingKayaksCanada/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:53 pm 
faltbootemeister
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:41 am
Posts: 222
We load our tandem quite a bit, both, under and on decks... :) We always load and unload on the water, rain or shine, surf or calm, from 10 F 10 110 F... :) So far, the procedure never failed. The yak is without a scratch.

_________________
Seasick & Grumpy enjoying a Long Haul Mark II Commando with BSD 36' HP Sport sail

http://vimeo.com/channels/travelotherapy


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group