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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:29 pm 
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Does anyone have any experience with or know where I can get information and advice about making my own hull for a Klepper frame? I have an aging skin that I'm going to try to fix, but I wonder if I could make a new and lighter hull myself out? If I could make something lighter but still rugged it would help me for my late summer travels.
Second question: how important is the rudder on an Aerius 2? Could I make one?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:39 pm 
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Look for Yost's guide on making hulls. There is other info around, as well. PVC seems to be what most people default to-- it's available, lightweight, cheap, and tough.

I'm sure opinions will vary, but I would say that the rudder is important. I went through this thought process myself-- the hard part is the pintle and gudgeon. I was surprised to discover that the pintle is attached to both LH and Klepper hulls by only one 10mm nut, which is deep inside the end of the hull. You could salvage the pintle from your old hull and build it into a new one. Fabricating a new one... apart from the gudgeon (I am worried that I am switching the meanings of pintle and gudgeon, but hopefully you understand anyway), it would be fairly easy. You can also buy from Klepper, or a better (deeper) one from LH.

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Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:14 am 
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http://www.faltbootbasteln.de/fbb-haut- ... aeriushaut

Not beautiful the end result, but the steps are clearly described

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:32 pm 
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Thank you. Very impressive work.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:28 pm 
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Generally I don't use a rudder on an AEII unless sailing where it appears fairly essential. Not having a rudder saves another thing to carry and assemble.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:36 pm 
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If you're paddling solo you can forego the rudder. Paddling double or sailing, it's a good idea.

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~'91 Klepper A2 w/ BSD schooner rig.
'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
Non-folding: '84 Hobie 16; early '90s Old Town Canoe.
Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:44 pm 
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Just received in the mail a sampling of the Pennel/Orca CSM fabrics--essentially, Hypalon--from Pennel's US warehouse. They're very impressive fabrics. They come in a variety of weights, beginning with the lightest, Ora 215, which has a 990 denier polyester as a base fabric and CSM on the outside (something else is on the inside). It weights 28 oz. a yard, and is 59 inches wide--plenty for a Klepper hull. It costs about $40 a meter. From there it goes on up in weight and price, but with the same basic construction. I would think a lighter CSM might be great for rehulling a Klepper, or for building a foldable skin on frame kayak. I wonder how much would be sacrificed to use a lighter version of the Hypalon? The heavier certainly has greater tear resistance: tear resistance goes from 27 lbs for the lightest to 74 lbs for the heaviest. The advantage over regular coated polyester, of course, is that the CSM is slippery and UV and chemical resistant. It should last a long time.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:28 pm 
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chrstjrn wrote:
If you're paddling solo you can forego the rudder. Paddling double or sailing, it's a good idea.


I paddle my AII with my girlfriend and we never use a rudder. I think if both paddlers coordinate their strokes it's not necessary. Or it may be just that I can easily overpower her ;-)

You absolutely need one sailing, unless you have a ketch rig and really know what you're doing. And it helps in very high winds.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:34 pm 
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At least I can recommend that Yakaboo book, now that I've read it. Wonderful... as long as one can read past all the racism in it.

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'64 Klepper Passat/Tradewind and T12 restoration projects.
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Previously owned '04 Pakboat Puffin II and '05 Swift.


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